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Item	Start	End	Price	Title	High Bidder/Status
260505160127	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$20.49	ANTIQUE VICTORIAN 10K GOLD CAMEO BROOCH PENDANTS - #6	-***e
260505178304	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$39.99	VINTAGE VICTORIAN STYLE 10K GOLD RING and EARRINGS - #7	No Bids Yet
260505516310	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$29.00	OLD HARD STONE BLACK GRANITE CAMEO PENDANT BROOCH #9	p***a
260505532586	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$0.69	FINE VICTORIAN AMERICAN 2pc STERLING SILVER SASH BUCKLE	d***c
260505543950	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$59.37	FINE OLD GRIFFIN & ACANTHUS SILVE CANDLESTICKS, VASES	l***s
320447905203	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$26.99	FINE VICTORIAN 10K WHITE GOLD HARD STONE CAMEO RING, #8	d***c
320448324030	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 18:14:26	$16.49	ANTIQUE PAIR OF FIREFIGHTING TANKARD STEINS w HELMET+	s***n
320448473821	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 17:00:47	$29.00	FINE RHINESTONE DIAMOND PASTE EVENING COSTUME NECKLACE	l***4
320448404751	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 18:15:12	$170.49	ITALIAN ENAMEL 800 STERLING SILVER COMPACT FIRENZE 1935	e***o
260507016650	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:00:20	$2,025.00	GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA SET, TRAY, KETTLE 176 ozs	n***i
320449188062	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:15:24	$430.55	FINE LION PAW GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA KETTLE 1890	7***i
260510068393	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 12:55:03	$2,199.00	STUNNING PIAGET LADIES 14K DIAMOND WRISTWATCH, 50gr, NR	Available
260510231125	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 20:04:58	$970.57	VINTAGE 24" 14K GOLD NECKLACE CHAIN 50 grams, NOT SCRAP	g***l
260510252585	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 21:38:14	$375.00	ELEGANT 18" 14K GOLD DROP BEAD LADIES EVENING NECKLACE!	No Bids Yet

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WELCOME TO OUR ABOUT ME PAGE

WE HAVE 100% POSITIVE FEEDBACK and are LONG TIME COLLECTORS and DEALERS of SILVER, ANTIQUES, COLLECTIBLES and FINE ART!

Who is ARGENT-DE-MASSIF and what does our name mean? Argent De Massif is French and literally translates as: Solid Silver...the thing we trade in the most.

My name is Joseph Mari. I've been collecting my whole life and have focused on finer items for the last decade or so. We started by just collecting but here we are, years later, selling like mad on eBay.

We're always looking to offer finer items. Hand made if possible. Older the better. Rare if possible. We especially enjoy dealing in 3 categories:

All Better Silver. With an emphasis on French, English and Early American silver but don't forget American silverplate from the 1850's to 1910 or so. Some of the most fanciful and creative things were made in silver plate.
Chinese & Japanese Porcelain, Silver and Art.
Unusual and Hard to Find Decorative Arts / Objet de Vertu

As sellers, we try to keep about 15-20 items listed per week.
We start bidding at a penny most of the time and we absolutely disdain reserves. We buy also and reserves just seem to counter the spirit of an auction.

We try to remain emotionally detached from our listings but emotionally appreciative of good customers. It helps when we start an auction at $.01. Simply, it is sold the moment it hits the auction block. It is just a matter of where we are shipping it not if it sells or not.

We feel our customers are like us and feel as passionately about owning 'better things' in life. We get such joy from holding historically important pieces. I feel great satisfaction owning and selling truly high quality things. There are few things made nowadays that can please me as much as hand made, hand painted, hand wrought items....

Always feel free to email us for advice or questions.

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HOW TO DETERMINE SCRAP VALUES for ALL PRECIOUS METALS:

Here on eBay I see many claims of scrap or melt value. Most folks just don't understand what SPOT PRICE or MELT VALUE actually means. There are actually two numbers to consider. The first is what (the actual dollar amount) you would receive if you decided you would like to send your item to a refinery. The second number is what is posted as SPOT value or SCRAP / MELT VALUE. (click to go to KITCO.COM for market values)

These two figures are actually different the same way as any item you sell at auction is different. There is a difference in what an item is sold for and what you actually get since the seller always wants their cut (commission / fee). At auction, the seller get's a fee for their service and at a refinery, the refiner gets a fee for their service. This fee varies in both the auction world as it does in the precious metals industry.

That was a complex way of explaining that, you can melt it but you'll not get actual spot price....ever.

The get to the amount you will receive for silver and gold, use the following guidelines.

Weigh the item: Jewelers scales generally have troy values and grams. but most others such as postal scales use AVOIR DUPOIS values or plain old values or what we are used to.

Convert weight to troy ounces: All offers by refiners are in TROY values. Here is a great conversion calculator: CONVERSION CALCULATOR

Convert weight of the item to a pure value: This is important. Multiply the weight of the item by the percentage of purity. Here are some common multipliers:

SILVER ITEMS: STERLING=.925, PURE SILVER=.999, 800 SILVER is .800, COIN SILVER=approximately .900.
GOLD ITEMS: 10k= .410, 14k=.575, 18k-.750, 24k=.999

Multiply the pure product by the offered spot price: If you have 100 troy ounces of sterling silver, you would have 92.5 troy ounces of pure silver. At $10 per ounce, you would receive $925.00

Subtract refiners fees and shipping and insurance costs: Most refinery services work on a scale depending on the amount of metal you are offering. 10% -15% would be typical.

Using the $925 above, we then subtract a 15% refiners fee for a net of $786.

To summarize, most people think they have more value than they actually do.

A practical example of all of this is as follows:

ITEM: TEA SET MARKED STERLING THAT WEIGHS 100 ounces (avoir dupois) on a postal scale.
CONVERTED TO TROY OUNCES you have 97.2 TROY OUNCES (ozt.)
CONVERTED TO PURE SILVER you have 89.9 TROY OUNCES OF PURE SILVER
CONVERTED TO REAL PURITY you have about 2% less than you thought because of general purity disparities and non valuable items such as insulators. Maybe a nut, a pin, a screw or 2...The REFINER will generally provide a PURITY REPORT and SPOT VALUE USED at the time of receipt, with your check. I have never had STERLING actually equal a net purity of 92.5%. Usually about 91%-91.5. so the adjusted figure instead of 89.9 TROY OUNCES is actually 88 ounces
CONVERTED TO DOLLARS at a sample SPOT PRICE OF $10/ozt. you have $880.
CONVERT TO ACTUAL MONEY. The refinery subtracts their $12.5% (sample fee) so you have $770.
SUBTRACT SHIPPING & INSURANCE of $30 as an example. You now have $740.00

So a 100 ounce sterling silver tea set is worth a lot less than thought. Many sellers on eBay, thinking they are savvy by finding spot price listed somewhere, miscalculate and mislead by posting that their 100 ounces of silver is worth $1000 at $10 per ounce. Far cry from actual melt value.

If I sent you to read this, it's either because your listing is misleading or because I am just trying to help via education.

The same methods can be applied to GOLD items. That big heavy 10k gold chain is worth a lot less than you may think after all is said and done.


Item	Start	End	Price	Title	High Bidder/Status
260505160127	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$20.49	ANTIQUE VICTORIAN 10K GOLD CAMEO BROOCH PENDANTS - #6	-***e
260505178304	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$39.99	VINTAGE VICTORIAN STYLE 10K GOLD RING and EARRINGS - #7	No Bids Yet
260505516310	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$29.00	OLD HARD STONE BLACK GRANITE CAMEO PENDANT BROOCH #9	p***a
260505532586	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$0.69	FINE VICTORIAN AMERICAN 2pc STERLING SILVER SASH BUCKLE	d***c
260505543950	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$59.37	FINE OLD GRIFFIN & ACANTHUS SILVE CANDLESTICKS, VASES	l***s
320447905203	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$26.99	FINE VICTORIAN 10K WHITE GOLD HARD STONE CAMEO RING, #8	d***c
320448324030	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 18:14:26	$16.49	ANTIQUE PAIR OF FIREFIGHTING TANKARD STEINS w HELMET+	s***n
320448473821	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 17:00:47	$29.00	FINE RHINESTONE DIAMOND PASTE EVENING COSTUME NECKLACE	l***4
320448404751	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 18:15:12	$170.49	ITALIAN ENAMEL 800 STERLING SILVER COMPACT FIRENZE 1935	e***o
260507016650	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:00:20	$2,025.00	GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA SET, TRAY, KETTLE 176 ozs	n***i
320449188062	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:15:24	$430.55	FINE LION PAW GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA KETTLE 1890	7***i
260510068393	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 12:55:03	$2,199.00	STUNNING PIAGET LADIES 14K DIAMOND WRISTWATCH, 50gr, NR	Available
260510231125	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 20:04:58	$970.57	VINTAGE 24" 14K GOLD NECKLACE CHAIN 50 grams, NOT SCRAP	g***l
260510252585	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 21:38:14	$375.00	ELEGANT 18" 14K GOLD DROP BEAD LADIES EVENING NECKLACE!	No Bids Yet

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Item	Start	End	Price	Title	High Bidder/Status
260505160127	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$20.49	ANTIQUE VICTORIAN 10K GOLD CAMEO BROOCH PENDANTS - #6	-***e
260505178304	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$39.99	VINTAGE VICTORIAN STYLE 10K GOLD RING and EARRINGS - #7	No Bids Yet
260505516310	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$29.00	OLD HARD STONE BLACK GRANITE CAMEO PENDANT BROOCH #9	p***a
260505532586	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$0.69	FINE VICTORIAN AMERICAN 2pc STERLING SILVER SASH BUCKLE	d***c
260505543950	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$59.37	FINE OLD GRIFFIN & ACANTHUS SILVE CANDLESTICKS, VASES	l***s
320447905203	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 16:00:33	$26.99	FINE VICTORIAN 10K WHITE GOLD HARD STONE CAMEO RING, #8	d***c
320448324030	Nov-12-09	Nov-22-09 18:14:26	$16.49	ANTIQUE PAIR OF FIREFIGHTING TANKARD STEINS w HELMET+	s***n
320448473821	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 17:00:47	$29.00	FINE RHINESTONE DIAMOND PASTE EVENING COSTUME NECKLACE	l***4
320448404751	Nov-13-09	Nov-23-09 18:15:12	$170.49	ITALIAN ENAMEL 800 STERLING SILVER COMPACT FIRENZE 1935	e***o
260507016650	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:00:20	$2,025.00	GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA SET, TRAY, KETTLE 176 ozs	n***i
320449188062	Nov-15-09	Nov-25-09 18:15:24	$430.55	FINE LION PAW GEORGIAN STERLING SILVER TEA KETTLE 1890	7***i
260510068393	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 12:55:03	$2,199.00	STUNNING PIAGET LADIES 14K DIAMOND WRISTWATCH, 50gr, NR	Available
260510231125	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 20:04:58	$970.57	VINTAGE 24" 14K GOLD NECKLACE CHAIN 50 grams, NOT SCRAP	g***l
260510252585	Nov-20-09	Nov-30-09 21:38:14	$375.00	ELEGANT 18" 14K GOLD DROP BEAD LADIES EVENING NECKLACE!	No Bids Yet

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